Released 28th November update

Discussion in 'News & Announcements' started by J-F Chardon, Nov 28, 2018.

  1. GooseCreature

    GooseCreature Well-Known Member

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    Ahh, a non competitive ranking system is now required. o_O
    Then again I get the drift, if it's gonna be implemented in one, why not all?
    Thought the whole point was to match similar ranked people together to improve competitiveness or am I missing something here?
    Jeez, think I've confused myself or out thought myself or indeed wet myself. :(
     
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  2. Christian G

    Christian G Topological Agitator Beta tester

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    That's my thinking, what's the point of ranking for LB mode.. We don't really need to group drivers for the use of making LB entries. Competitions is were grouping can play a meaningful role (and MP of course).
    I get the point of making use of the data that's present in normal LBs in that ranking, but that could potentially lead to skewed results.
    I don't know the math behind the ranking, but if regular LB entries were included people could always search for little populated LBs, set an upper tier entry with a not so good lap time and thereby pimp their rating to a point that doesn't necessarily reflect their true level. Competitions are always pretty well populated and hence offer a more reliable base for a ranking. Plus they don't get wiped, unlike LBs, which could also lead to problems like people losing their ranking just because some LBs had to be wiped.
     
  3. CheerfullyInsane

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    And dammit, that's my job. :D

    But getting back on topic, I agree that if there's a ranking for competitions, it might as well carry over to leaderboards.
    They're basically the same thing.
    On the other hand, it won't be much use as a 'match-making' tool. There's one hell of a difference between hot-lapping, and racing in a crowd.

    Then again, competitive MP racing isn't my thing in the first place, so this is one issue I'll happy chalk down as "couldn't care less" :)
     
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  4. Christian G

    Christian G Topological Agitator Beta tester

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    Easiest way for us would be if you captured that video and uploaded it on youtube or some similar site. Alternatively you could upload the file to a free filehoster like zippyshare.
     
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  5. ravey1981

    ravey1981 Well-Known Member Beta tester

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    I guess one of the better reasons for having ranking only in competitions is that the content can be controlled, it means your rank is based upon performance in a variety of cars on a variety of tracks. It finds all around good drivers rather than specialists. Maybe.
     
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  7. ravey1981

    ravey1981 Well-Known Member Beta tester

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    It would work both ways I suppose, I too only like to compete in classes that I enjoy but then if I knew rating counted on performance overall I would be more inclined to practice with other cars.... Anyway, this is just conjecture really...who knows how it will work in reality....
     
  8. Christian G

    Christian G Topological Agitator Beta tester

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    I downloaded it, feel free to remove it again if you wish.
     
  9. augustkekule

    augustkekule Well-Known Member

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    OK. I hope the video is helpful in order to illustrate the gearshift-problem.
     
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  10. Nakamuza

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    I'm loving the update! Great work guys n galls. There is a noticeable difference in the GT4s and GT2s with the new tyre models. Also the gearboxe updates! YES! The DTM92s are alive and I'm full battered after a full race in these, great heel n toe action! The camera view updates are greatly received especially the look to apex linked to the steering, is there any chance there could be a damper slider to go with it? Currently I'm runnig max 200% I think which is great up until the car gets loose and have to correct the camera is all over the place. The camera movement is reminiscent of RHM for AC now :D
     
  11. sbtm

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    ...but the DTM92 didn't receive their update yet :D it will come with another patch (maybe the next?) Or do you just mean the gearbox?
     
  12. Karting06

    Karting06 Well-Known Member Beta tester

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    Yeah, the gearbox.
    And don't expect a rework of DTM92 in 2018 :p
     
  13. Nakamuza

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    No not yet theres always hope it will be soon. Before the gearbox update it was quicker to run sequential auto, now my lap times are about the same running full manual, and it's much more satisfying to race.
     
  14. ChatCureuil

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    I agree, I feel it a lot from 2nd to 3rd gear, in some cases I need a quick but hard countersteer to hold the car. That looks wrong, I don't see that in the Moritz Kranz lap, for example at 0:43 the car stays balanced when he goes from 2nd to 3rd gear (gear number in video seems erroneous, you need to remove 1) but in the game it is not at all.
    @Alex Hodgkinson Do you have any information about this?

    Except for this effect I love the Cayman, I have a lot of fun with this car. :)
     
  15. Alex

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    Left me just say thank you for this update guys, it is great! :)

    I drove the GTR2 RUF yesterday for some minutes and felt much more controllable, greatly improved IMHO. I still haven't got the time to try out the BMW M3 GT2, but I'm looking forward to it.

    Look to Apex is another feature I've long wanted (single screen here), I'm glad to see it in Raceroom!
     
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  16. bearr

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    Touring classic, expect?
     
  17. Gopher04

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    With the Look to Apex is there away we can make it more responsive/work earlier?? when it kicks in your pretty much already round the corner, it comes in to late, don't know if you/us can adjust that in a file or can you give us another option in the menu please..
     
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  18. GooseCreature

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    Hopping back to the ranking system briefly. @Christian Göpfert what ever happened to the data collected from private servers @Georg Ortner mentioned a while back? Is this the same ranking system or did this system not come up to scratch or indeed is data still being collected? Be interesting to know the difference between Leaderboard and multiplayer stats and whether they correlate or vary extremely. The 2 disciplines are so different, do you err toward the racer or the hot lapper when it comes to finding a median to afford an overall ranking or will these rankings be kept separate?
    I know you said you had no idea how the algorithm goes down mechanically that's why I tagged @Georg Ortner twice ;)
    Just thought that with your internal connections ;);) you might do a bit of digging on the layman's behalf, no panic, just intrigued more than owt.
     
  19. Christian G

    Christian G Topological Agitator Beta tester

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    For all I know the data collection from private servers is ongoing, the system working in the background, but it still needs fine-tuning and proper menu implementation before it's ready to be released into the wild. That ranking system doesn't have much in common with the Leaderboard ranking system. As explained here the LB ranking really only ranks players based on their competition lap times over the past 12 months. The online rating system is much more intricate, calculating your rank based on several factors of which your race results are just one, f.e. incidents must be accounted for by such a system.

    I don't know if there are plans to combine both those rankings once the mp ranking becomes a thing. My guess would be a no, because if that'd be the case it might deter people from joining a competition in fear of corrupting their MP ranking. And as mentioned in that other thread the LB ranking won't be updated in short period, so you will be stuck with that ranking for a pretty long time without the possibility to better it, which would also be a turn-off if that had some impact on your MP ranking.
     
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  20. Nakamuza

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    Please help or advise I have weird auto clutch issue, I was in 3rd gear full throttle suddenly it pops out of gear. This happened quite a few times in gears 1, 2 and 3 on the exit of corners. I've tried remapping controls, using paddles instead of my shifter same problem. Shifter is TH8A wheel is a T300RS Alacantara. Car is BMW DTM 92. Only had this issue since the update. I dont have this problem using full manual but clutch pedal needed to be fixed and didnt have time before the race.
    Let me know if should post this in another part of the forum.

     
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