Released December Update

Discussion in 'News & Announcements' started by RaceRoom, Dec 11, 2019.

  1. BeefMcQueen

    BeefMcQueen Well-Known Member Beta tester

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    I tend to turn TC down until I can not hear that strange grumble when it kicks in exiting turns for example. In most cases I then settle at around level 5. Maybe it's a placebo but I'm imagining that some cars are more agile that way. If you think about some lower powered cars or cars with tons of rear end traction, it might be detrimental to even more cut down that needed torque - be it through intervention of the ignition or the brakes. Or am I wrong here?
     
  2. 2ndLastJedi

    2ndLastJedi Well-Known Member

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    Will this help even fixed Ai ? I couldn't handle the adaptive Ai so went back to fixed at 110% but the Ai are still spinning ,Ive had more time to witness the goings on now, going over race replays to find the issue , they just sit on track waiting till the field go past causing all sorts of slow downs even for cars 3 to 4 turns away from the spin .
    I really hope S3 are working on this issue because it is making racing against the Ai a complete let down , especially as when you get to race them they are fantastic , but they just spin and then the rest of the field have this "i cant go past a spun car" mentality and its horrible :(

    I cant believe im the only person having this problem !
     
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  3. Jota Ele

    Jota Ele Active Member

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    5 days since the update and my wheel still not work what is this joke?
     
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  4. Beastux

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    I read somewhere that Michael Schumacher used to change his brake balance several times per lap, for the most important brakings...
     
  5. Christian G

    Christian G Topological Agitator Beta tester

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    You're not the only person, but it depends greatly on which car/class/track we're talking about. Some are more prone to these issues than others.

    AfaIk those issues don't have anything to do with the adaptation file.
     
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  6. [RWB] al gartner

    [RWB] al gartner New Member

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    I not that skilled either, but on the FR-X17 i assume changing TC almost as often as gears especially on tracks like Bathurst, helped me to down laptimes to 1.32.0 (btw after update no way under 1.32.9 and FFB feel kinda squishy though setup tweaked after doing first runs on default)
     
  7. 2ndLastJedi

    2ndLastJedi Well-Known Member

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    It's happened to me in GTO, 92 DTM, Touring Classics and GT3R so far.
    I've removed that Ai file anyway to see.
     
  8. fireballr18

    fireballr18 Well-Known Member

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    I always start TC off when driving a new car/track combo, driving a car for the first time anyway. Just to learn the car behaviour as pure as I can.
    I normally use then as little TC as possible, going step by step upwards until I got the feeling to have a well-stable but still rotating car.
     
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  9. switchface

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    I jotted down some notes from others to implement on my rig last night.

    I still get some FF peaks that clip above the red line. I have game FF intensity to 100% and SimCommander at 80% Accuforce intensity. I experimented lowering to 30% and as expected the wheel gets light, looses life...yet I still get some clipping which was surprising (and this is with FF multiplier set at default for each car). What is the preferred solution when there are so many places to tweak?

    I was previously using 100% steering rack, but Georg and others said to try 30% or 0%. Tried it and like it, but now feeling some new counter forces...not necessarily bad, just need to get used to it. While there I was at 0% for FF dampening (because SimCommander does it?) but now added 10%.

    So many people share preferred settings, but if they are using Logitechs and Thrustmasters, the experience will be very different from the settings I may need for Accuforce (or others on DD). Does anyone at Sector3 have a preferred Accuforce setup?
     
  10. Beastux

    Beastux Well-Known Member

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    I just do the opposite! :D
     
  11. Rodger Davies

    Rodger Davies Well-Known Member

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    Same, I start high and dial back
     
  12. Jetsun

    Jetsun Active Member

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    Been advised recently to learn a new combo with all electronic off, and it seems to really help me smooth out my inputs, still way behind you fast guys, but at least I have way more confidence in the car when I put aids back after a while.
     
  13. fireballr18

    fireballr18 Well-Known Member

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    Probably that's what I'm doing wrong :D
     
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  14. 2ndLastJedi

    2ndLastJedi Well-Known Member

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    Just start with default and adjust TC down each lap till you spin!
     
  15. fireballr18

    fireballr18 Well-Known Member

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    After a couple of hours I have to say the ai doesn't work that well as the intention is. Spinning a lot, faster cars are very often hesitating when the should overtake slower cars, the speed level is varying during a single race etc.

    Hard to have a good and close race on the Nords, especially when it comes to pit stops :(
     
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  16. CrimsonEminence

    CrimsonEminence Well-Known Member

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    I've heard a good quote shortly: "you can't fix problems, you don't know, they're actually there" - Tim Dodd, the Everyday Astronaut.

    You and also some others discovered something, that maybe isn't tested enough yet, because of lack of testers, time or fitting occasions.

    I'm saying: These problems are just discoverable, because we encounter them in the first place, so more testing before release may actually helped to stop some of these things to happen, but they will not appear everytime, so there is margin for error. The AI has some good foundation to improve on some aspects, now with the new behaviour and features, but it's likely, that this only will happen with more people reporting these things. :) In an optimal scenario, this shouldn't be on the consumer, but this market is still very small, so who knows.

    I'm doing more sprint stuff and also discovered some spinning out AI on the NoS, but not at this "reportable" magnitude, it felt more "normal", so it seems, it has to improve on the long runs and multiclass occasions, as far, as i understand many experiences.
    I've not tried these things very much until now, interesting to know, therefore.
     
  17. 2ndLastJedi

    2ndLastJedi Well-Known Member

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    I've had only 10 lap races around a few tracks and even when qualifying I keep having really bad races as the Ai are always spinning and the cars behind come to a complete stop waiting for the spinner to come back but the spinner doesn't want to move until the cars have past so its just a parking lot! This is with both adaptive Ai and fixed at 110. Ive now removed the adaptive Ai file so it starts to learn again so hopefully that's going to help, doubtful.
     
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  18. MattStone

    MattStone Well-Known Member

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    Yeah there are quite a few tracks where the AI are having trouble
    I've been doing some testing with the 911 GT3 Cup car and these are the basic results so far

    These tracks are good to great where you can have relatively clean AI races
    Autodrom Most - Grand Prix
    Red Bull Ring Spielberg - Grand Prix
    Zhuhai - Grand Prix
    Chang International Circuit - Full Circuit
    Circuit Park Zandvoort - Grand Prix
    Circuit Zolder - Grand Prix
    Spa-Francorchamps - Grand Prix

    These Tracks are impossible to race with the AI due to all the spinning and off track lines they same to be taking
    Hockenheimring - Grand Prix
    Hungaroring - Grand Prix
    Imola - Grand Prix
    Twin Ring Motegi - Road Course

    I've found the AI are much better and more challenging than before but S3 have a lot of fine tuning to do with the new AI.
    They fixed some issue but introduced others :(

    But I'm not going to let that stop me from having some great AI races on the track/car combos that are working:)
     
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  19. takmaru

    takmaru New Member

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    As I reported to other threads, simhub Shake it works with RRRe, but simvive SC4 doesn't work at all.
    I couldn't reset SC4.
    Both other sims work without problems.
     
  20. 2ndLastJedi

    2ndLastJedi Well-Known Member

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    I can add Salzburgring, Nordschleife, Moscow to the bad Ai tracks. And agree on Hungaroring but not tested others though.
     
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