Released Group 5 Class update

Discussion in 'News & Announcements' started by J-F Chardon, Apr 26, 2016.

  1. SargeFIN

    SargeFIN New Member

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    Is there a way to change fuel amount of these cars in practice mode or should I take single race mode in order to change fuel amount?
    I gotta say these cars feels much more easier to drive. At least when you are driving with default setup with full fuel load. I know this is a bit off topic but could it be possible to make some kind of "more info" button next to the different car setup option and when it's clicked there would be an info box what does increasing or decreasing of that setup does to the car and its handling?
     
  2. rad

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  3. JyriK

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    I wonder whose idea it was originally, in simracing world, that racecars should not feel planted when not on the edge?
     
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  4. The Angry Hamster

    The Angry Hamster Well-Known Member

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    What? There are so many things that affect whether a car feels stuck to the ground or not and many of those things can affect the car no matter how fast it is going. When you add in the drastic changes made to race cars in general combined with how light, stiff, and powerful they are you end up with often quite twitchy vehicles outside of their 'normal' operating parameters particularly for their tires. I agree not every vehicle should feel that way all the time, but most of them don't so I'm curious what made you feel the need to apply the moniker to every single vehicle in this instance.
     
  5. ElNino

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    Did the dashboards get updated on these or was i just way out of touch? They seem to look better than i remember - for example the BMW 320 really looked different than i recall - could be in my head
     
  6. JyriK

    JyriK Well-Known Member

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    Based on what? Your gut feel? Sims that have failed to model low speed grip properly (like earlier versions of iRacing)?
     
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  7. Praetorians.Diogo

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    I really think S3S did a great job on these cars, check out these videos from youtube and you will see that their reactions are really close to real life. I don't see the driver fighting the wheel like you think they should do.

    Check out these videos, them all have onboard cam.

    Group 5 Ford Capri:


    Chevrolet Monza:


    Porsche 935:
     
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  8. rad

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    Those videos reminded me of something

    @Anthony Monteil could we get sound of squeaking brakes? :) With an setting to lower it's volume, because it's kinda annoying and some people might want to get rid of it.
     
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  9. Gopher04

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    Great bit of onboard footage in the Capri, you can see the amount of effort it was taking, but the Fabcar in a straight line is so fast. Really nice to see a Escort on the track.
    And wow S3 really nailed the Capri sound track.
     
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  10. django18

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    Regarding the whole "too much grip, not realistic" debate, I have to say I kind of see where those guys are coming from.
    I did some testdriving and got a 6:46 on the nordschleife with the 935 and a 2:18 with the capri on spa without much effort at all, which means the G5's can easily match laptimes of gt3 cars.

    No matter how the optimal the conditions might be, that seems a bit far fetched to me consindering these are 70s/80s cars with tires,suspension,wings etc. from that time. At no point did I have any problems with a rear end stepping out or general inbalance.
    In fact, I have waaay more on throttle oversteer with the gtr gt3 for example.

    Also, I still think there's a some floaty weid feeling going on. Some cars like the capri and the silva suffer from this more than the dekon monza i.e.. It's especially noticeable in long high speed bends where the cars basically go sideways through the corner, it's like high-speed drifting and it very much reminds me of raceroom 2 years ago.
    Eau rouge/raidillon only requireing a very slight lift while blanchimont was full throttle all the way isn't convincing TO ME.

    And YES, this is ENTIRELY based on my feelings. NO I cannot provide you with any data whatsoever and NO, I haven't driven any of these cars.

    I absolutely love the way gt3 cars drive now, they just feel "right" to me and I also really enjoy the new the GTO's, but the G5's just feel too much like one of the "old physics" cars: extremely high levels of grip, doesn't feel planted, weird sort of drifting through corners.
    Hope it doesn't come across too harshly, but I think it's clear that if I didn't care about R3E, I wouldn't bother writing this wall of text.:)
     
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  11. Andy Kettler

    Andy Kettler Well-Known Member Beta tester

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    Try the GTRX cars and you know how RR was 2 years ago ;)
     
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  12. Andy Kettler

    Andy Kettler Well-Known Member Beta tester

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    Some numbers:

    600hp 830kg Capri
    535hp 1300kg Bentley GT3 + Wings and stuff everywhere
     
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  13. django18

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    Sorry but there's absolutely no way you're going to convince me that old G5 with old suspension,old tires,... are as fast as modern gt3 cars in corners. Just no.
     
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  14. Andy Kettler

    Andy Kettler Well-Known Member Beta tester

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    Who is talking about corners ?
     
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  15. Arthur Spooner

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    The only G5 car that weighs about the same as a GT3 car is the Corvette - and this beast comes with 900 hp. Of course the GT3 are faster around corners but the G5 leave any GT3 in a cloud of dust down the straights.

    Not to forget that weight is not only a factor on the straights but also around corners. Less weight means less centrifugal force. So the lighter G5 are faster around the corners as the Corvette for example.

    Don't underestimate G5... ;)
     
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  16. Christian G

    Christian G Topological Agitator Beta tester

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    But they can reach much higher top speeds and get up to those speeds a lot quicker...

    Ninja'ed by Arthur Spooner...Dougie sad... ;)
     
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  18. higsy

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    I haven't tried any cars other than the corvette at sachsennring but I have a damn hard time keeping it on track. Feels like the tires are made of ice. Havent made any adjustments to setup yet. Oh. And I'm not a great driver by any means.:)
     
  19. django18

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    Then again you could argue that gt3's come out of the corners much faster so as long as the straights aren't extremely long, the faster straight-line performance shouldn't matter much.

    also take a look at the laptimes here: http://touringcarracing.net/Pages/DRM.html
     
  20. Andy Kettler

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