Released Mercedes-AMG Motorsport eRacing Competition 2018

you don't like it?... don't buy it.

We have the opportunity to drive some pieces of Mercedes history here, basically for free.

Did people really think of getting a DTM95 grid or something when it's called "Mercedes AMG Motorsport eRacing Competition"?

And how can you be disappointed of something like this? Sector 3 didn't even lose a single word about a "new" DTM grid. It was always about Mercedes' cars.

so always remember: you don't have to buy cars and tracks you don't want

 

No idea where you read that any of us "expected" a DTM95 pack. But a lot obviously wish for a DTM95 pack. Fine difference.
Neither have I read about people being dissapointed.

I for one am more dissapointed about the general direction Raceroom seems headed, with the focus fully on eCompetitions. This year we had no content release except for two tracks early on. Resources seem to be shifted away from the average paying user to name-making eSports events. This is great for for the game's reception and reputation, but I as a normal user would rather have something to buy and race (with and against) at home.

Just my 2cents.

 

Well it's quite simple really, without the competitions, and without us trying to create events with an additional marketing value for manufacturers, there would not be a C-Class from 1995 in RaceRoom, no CLK from 2003 and no C-Class from 2005 either. And no one would even talk about the possibility of more 1995 cars. 3 cars that will find their way into the store, that you will be able to race from home even if you don't care about the competition at all.

 

... all 1995 DTM cars would be good, but ... all 1994 DTM cars would be f**king great ... the Mercedes and Opel cars were a blast! ... (in both years they had almost the same shapes but the 1994 cars look more like a normal street car with a body kit ... more stock car like)

 

There was one thing, that brought me to RaceRoom: (almost) full experiences of raceseries like DTM 2013, 2014, ... and ADAC GT Masters 2013, 2014, ... with preset rules.
That's what I miss. Being part of a raceseries with inherent tracks and real racedrivers.

Btw, when will Porsche Cayman GT4 Clubsport liveries be available? One car, one livery since five months?

 

While having series licences is nice and all, going for single vehicles just allow S3 to have a bit more freedom in what they add and don't. Doing large series is what causes delays, WTCR having thrown a huge spanner in the works due to needing to make new cars from scratch, new models and physics. You also have to bear in mind that S3 doesn't make all the call for the game. If Race Room Entertainment wants to focus on esports then S3 will have to mostly go along with it. Maybe if there were more staff and cash in S3 then side projects may be easier to get done.

 

I have to agree. In the GTM Seasons i was part of something. Racing against KW Porsches wir Fantasynames has not rudimentary the imersion.

 

The only question is, what do the paying customers think about single vehicles. They are fine for leaderboard hunters, for others, like me, it is unattractive.
But as I was educated already, it is a matter of "don't like it , don't buy it" - so we customers vote with our wallets.

 

Personally, I find that depending on what class it is, having 2 vehicles per class is fine for me. I find liveries way more important than cars since I spend most of my time league racing. The R18 is useless for me since only 3 livery just looks wrong if you have 5 or more cars, but the Daytona I find fine since it has 10 or so liveries on it. It why I'm a strong supporter of custom liveries at least for servers. Just makes some cars a lot more useful I find.

Everybody use case is different, I can see the attraction of having a full series, but for me and a lot of other we rather just have a single good car with either ton of liveries or custom ones and just use that.

 

I hear you ! I wanted to release a post "E-Sports & Simracing" for a long time but due to sad familiar events over the last months, I didn't find the time. As a brief comment here I can only agree to yours cause I consider myself as (old school) Simracer, who was happy to get 10 ppl on a server without vast technical issues back in the days. Surely for the younger generation of "simracing E-Racers" it might be very appealing to do it like the Pros (and with the Pros) but for me Leaderbord Competitions are meh ! and the general direction into the fully commercialised world of motorsports is not very attractive, actually a waste of time...and for prizes I really don't care, cause I'm doing it just for the fun of it, not for Trophies, Money, Reputation or Gridgirls, which is also a matter of age.
So S3: Don't forget about the"classic" Simracers who want to compete with their own custom competition settings in Singleplay or via their favorite communities in Multiplay.
Honestly I have to admit that I'm more and more interested in upcoming titles like GTR 3 (or AC : Competizione) as classical all-in-one Titles in the tradition of Simbin's GTR (or even PCars2 but better ).
E-sports and the fusion with real Motorsport is surely the new trend and there's surely a market niche to fill with a lotta money- nothing against that- but let have old school Simracers what they like most : To race under their on rules, likings and settings and a wide range of game options in terms of realtime weather/daytime, 24h Racing, Multiclass, decent career mode, Car Selector a.s.o..
Looking at the FPS Shooter scene I see that their fans mostly get halfbaked BETA-Stage releases, in terms of e-sport with huge Multiplayer scenarios (UIbi/EA are notorious for that) but very lame Singleplayer Options & Stories without fantasy and true dedication.
I don't wanna see that with Simracing, once to find 75% E-Sports and 25% of classical "individual" Racing Simulation...

 

I don't see how it an issue with them going towards esport really. You still will get the new content as it arrives and at the same time, the new players and money that come into the game can also help fund other features as well. You also need to see that a lot of people rather just want to be able to race, that what iRacing does really well. rFactor 2 shows what happens if you go too far down the "Open" simulation way. They need to strike a balance and right now I think there are nearly there. Esports and the league / pubbies can live together in one game.

 

The issue is, that all resources are bound to the eSports stuff. Yes, cool we get three single Mercedes somewhen after the competition. That's fine for leaderboard guys. But god (and Sector 3) knows, what would we have gotten, had the resources not shifted towards eSports. Would we have seen some GT4 cars by now? Or maybe an AI selector?
You put it nicely in your finaly sentence - eSports and the league can live together in one game. Yup. And what about us offline racers? Who are here to dive into the immersion of a real racing series? I fear, that we will fall off the shelf during this new development.

 

Sector 3 is a small team, with only Studio 397 being similar sized and Reiza being even smaller. They don't have the manpower to focus on all the thing at once. You also need to see the fact that right now, the only other major eSports ready sim is iRacing, if RaceRoom Entertainment and S3 miss the chance to enter this area then another sim will take its place such as ACC and GTS. At the end of the day, they need money to help bring the said feature you want and to increase the manpower of S3, this is a good way of trying to get the funds needed.

Without the huge esport support from WTCR we would not be getting the nearly full grid that will be coming, and who knows what may happen, maybe if WTCR works goods, other series may say, "You know what, those S3 guys know what they are doing, let partner with them for our esport series", and in turn you get you complete series packs.

The AI Selector is a known thing now, we have seen it be used in promo videos. From what I understand is that it will be added with some more UI changes at some point in the future along with all the other stuff that right now is done using Steam Launch options. You just need to see this esport stuff as a benefit to the game, S3 has not forgotten about you.

 

On a side note from the other topic - you seem to know more about this (here on the forum we are just kept in the dark), any insight what cars we can expect and which cars are being left out ( "nearly full grid")?

 

You will find out in the future.

 

teeellll uuuuus

 

The KTM X-Bow GT4 adores the ingame loading screens for too long, to find that funny, sorry. In other words, nothing to expect till the end of the eSports finale.
Nothing personal, but "the wait is worth it" has been stressed for too long now.
Rant over, back to the original topic

 

The reason the KTM has been "ready" but not released is that from what I know is they want to release with some mates, so you can have a more full GT4 field, those are in the works. I know the whole "sit tight" is overused by it the reason why you don't see much about new content until it coming out now.

 

That leads us back to the AMGs - the X-Bow is being withheld so it does not need to run alone (isn't there an X-Bow cup for exacctly these cars irl?), But at the same time we are told to be happy that the AMGs will be released as single vehicle classes. That logic doesn't really add up, does it?
Anyways, I had the chance to write down my personal concerns and maybe someone from S3 even reads it (wether they care about it, is on another page). I'll shut up now and wish all participants best of luck.

 

The difference between the two is that one is being added as part of an esports event, the other is being released by S3 as part of GTR4. Without the esport event, we would most likely not see the car in the first place, what you can see it as tho is an early pre-release of a possible new series to the game where they add the other two cars of the season. The other point is that one is being contracted out, the other is just S3 getting the licence for the KTM, it is an added bonus that we are going to be getting it in the base game and it not going to disappear forever afterwards.