Performance Index

Discussion in 'Community Workshop' started by Georg Ortner, Jan 10, 2018.

  1. Georg Ortner

    Georg Ortner Sector3 Developer

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    Some of you may have noticed that the race results file on your dedicated servers now include a "Performance index" for every entry.

    This is is a value that defines the performance of every car class.
    Some Classes that fall under the same Balance of Performance (BOP) share the same Performance index.
    That means these classes will be grouped together on the grid and listed as one class in the results.

    For examples classes like GT Masters and GTR 3, have the same performance index.
    Or even the Touring Classics and DTM 1992.

    If you intend to build 3rd party applications for RaceRoom, such as league managing tools, this can be very helpful, especially for multiclass scenarios.

    Just keep in mind, that these values can and will change in the future, as we release new content!

    Find a list of the current performance indexes below:
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    Perf. Index | Class Name                              | Class ID
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    5           | FR X-17 Cup                             | 5824
    10          | FR US Cup                               | 5383
    15          | FR2 Cup                                 | 4597
    20          | P1                                      | 1714
    30          | P2                                      | 1923
    35          | DTM 2013                                | 1921
    35          | DTM 2014                                | 3086
    35          | DTM 2015                                | 4260
    35          | DTM 2016                                | 5262
    36          | Mercedes-AMG Motorsport                 | 5623
    36          | C-Klasse DTM 2005                       | 7168
    37          | BL Cup                                  | 2322
    37          | CLK DTM 2003                            | 7167
    40          | Hillclimb Icons                         | 1685
    45          | FR3 Cup                                 | 5652
    50          | GTR 1                                   | 1687
    55          | GTR 2                                   | 1704
    60          | GTR 3                                   | 1703
    60          | ADAC GT Masters 2013                    | 2922
    60          | ADAC GT Masters 2014                    | 3375
    60          | ADAC GT Masters 2015                    | 4516
    60          | ADAC GT Masters 2018                    | 7278
    62          | Zonda R Cup                             | 7110
    63          | Mercedes-AMG Motorsport 30 Years of DTM | 6794
    63          | C-Klasse DTM 1995                       | 7075
    65          | Group 5                                 | 1708
    70          | GTO Classics                            | 1713
    73          | Porsche 911 GT3 Cup                     | 6345
    73          | Super Racer                             | 7041
    75          | WTCC 2014                               | 3905
    80          | WTCC 2015                               | 4517
    80          | WTCC 2016                               | 6036
    80          | WTCC 2017                               | 6309
    80          | eSports WTCC                            | 6172
    85          | Tatuus F4 Cup                           | 4867
    90          | Procar                                  | 2378
    90          | KTM X-Bow RR Cup                        | 5385
    95          | DTM 1992                                | 3499
    95          | Touring Classics                        | 1712
    99          | Audi TT RS cup                          | 5234
    100         | WTCC 2013                               | 1922
    101         | Aquila CR1 Cup                          | 255
    102         | WTCR 2018                               | 7009
    102         | Esports WTCR Prologue                   | 6783
    103         | GTR 4                                   | 5825
    104         | Silhouette Series                       | 1717
    105         | German Nationals                        | 1706
    106         | Cayman GT4 Trophy by Manthey-Racing     | 6648
    125         | Audi Sport TT Cup 2015                  | 4680
    125         | Audi Sport TT Cup 2016                  | 5726
    126         | Group 4                                 | 7304
    127         | FRJ Cup                                 | 253
    128         | BMW M235i Racing Cup                    | 6344
    135         | NSU TTS Cup                             | 4813
    Thanks to @OtterNas3 for keeping the list uptodate
     
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  2. Luís de Gomes

    Luís de Gomes New Member

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    Nice!
    Thanks
     
  3. OverTheClock

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    Nice.

    Will this also affect the Penalty Messages?
    For example WTCC 2016 don't see if a 2017 car has become a penalty or driven a fastest lap.
    Will be nice all in the same performance index see this messages.
     
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  4. Shivas FR

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    As far as I know, wtcc 16 and 17 share the same physics model, but not the wtcc 15. So why the 15 has the same performance index?

    I retry these car yesterday and clearly, the wtcc 15 don't drive like the most recent. They maybe had the same engine, aero and whatever taken in count for the performance, but the handling it's not the same. The wtcc 15 it's close, in handling, as the Audi WTCR.
     
  5. SunnySunday

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    I would suspect that the index does not take into account how a car handles or "feel" but rather uses data based on performance. So the WTCC '15 most likely performs the same as '16 and '17 even though they do not feel the same.
     
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    That's what I understand too and that's the problem because, if the physics are not calculated in the same way, the performance while driving can't be the same, in my opinion. The easiest thing to do is to separate the wtcc 15 (maybe add 1 point in the performance index), and maybe later, upgrade their physics to the wtcc 16/17. Just like the DTM 13/14/15/16 who share, since few month, the same physics and performance.
     
  7. SunnySunday

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    Yes well small differences are acceptable just like different cars in the same classes are comparable with each other but does not have identical physics outputs. If you want exact copies then there would not be any classes and only cup cars.
     
  8. Shivas FR

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    It's not a question about same copy or what. But put all the driver on the same level. Wtcc 15 are way more tricky to drive due to the lift oversteer. Since the last update of the wtcc 16/17, the lift oversteer are near inexistant on those cars.

    I just put myself at the place of a less skill player who want enjoy these cars, take one of the 2015 season, thinking it's the same than the most recent one and go off track at everycorner because they are way more difficult to drive. He's clearly not in the same car due to the physics, so can't compete with the same weapon.

    R3E had a very good BOP for the GTR3 class, so why not take into account the physics model of the car in the index of performance? That's only this point I rise here.
     
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  9. SunnySunday

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    I see your point but again, performance data does not take into account how "hard" a car is to drive. At least not if the index is calculated from hard data from the game engine itself. I don't know how they determine the index really but I would think it is drawn from objective analytics and not how the car feels or handles.
     
  10. SunnySunday

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    But I could be wrong and maybe the WTCC 2013 should have a different rating, impossible to know if we do not know how it is calculated in the first place.
     
  11. Shivas FR

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    Wtcc 13 and 14 don't share the same index of performance between them and between the 15/16/17 because the 13 cars are different of the 14 and the 14 different of the 15/16/17. That mean, in an MP race, 13 are not listed in the same class with the 14 and the 13/14 are not listed in the same class with the 15/16/17.
     
  12. SunnySunday

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    Oh ya I just saw that. Well by quickly looking at leaderboard wtcc 15/16/17 seem to have about the same timings so it would make sense that their index is the same
     
  13. Shivas FR

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    The problem is the physics of the wtcc 15. With the actual index of performance, those cars compete in the same class with the 16/17. I might be wrong, but normally, the 15/16/17 cars are identical in term of engine power, brake power and everything just like IRL. But in the game, the physics of the 16/17 cars (the most up to date) are no more calculated in the same way than the 15 cars. So if the physics is different, the performance on track can't be the same between these three season. So, they can't really compete in the same class during an mp race.
     
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  14. SunnySunday

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    Performance can be equal regardless of new or old physics. But anyway, I don't think we're gonna get anywhere with this and we're just rambling here in an otherwise very useful thread. Good night.
     
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    Well, launch the game when you can, take the nordschleife VLN layout with the WTCC 15. Put the aero at 1 and try to do a lap. After take wtcc 16/17 car and do the exact same thing. You will see the performance difference only due to the physics calculation
     
  16. Shivas FR

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    You will also notice the tuning settings of the WTCC 15 is completely different than the 16/17
     
  17. keanos

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    Any infos about the PI for the 1995 c-class?
     
  18. Georg Ortner

    Georg Ortner Sector3 Developer

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    Updated list in first post.
     
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  19. OtterNas3

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    Thank You Sir!
     
  20. rad

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    So M1 Procar and KTM X-Bow are gonna be grouped together? They share same Performance Index