Raceroom New FFB vs Old FFB

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Turtle Power, Jun 26, 2021.

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Your personal preference regarding the new vs old FFB

Poll closed Jul 6, 2021.
  1. I like the new FFB

    92 vote(s)
    71.9%
  2. I prefer the Old FFB

    14 vote(s)
    10.9%
  3. Neutral

    9 vote(s)
    7.0%
  4. Not sure what I like more

    13 vote(s)
    10.2%
  1. Turtle Power

    Turtle Power Well-Known Member

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    Your personal preference regarding the new vs old FFB. I am really curious to find out what do you think?
     
  2. MattStone

    MattStone Well-Known Member

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    You should have had one more option!
    "I fricken love the new FFB!"
     
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  3. Vale

    Vale Well-Known Member

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    I think I am going to start a new poll about how many threads we need to have discussing exactly the same topic.
     
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  4. Thomas Jansen

    Thomas Jansen Sector3 Developer Beta tester

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    I don't think we can even imagine a number that big :D
     
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  5. Vale

    Vale Well-Known Member

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  6. fbiehne

    fbiehne Well-Known Member

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    New FFB is hands down better in every aspect.
     
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  7. RoccoTTS

    RoccoTTS Well-Known Member

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    The new FFB is way better than the old, the only thing i miss is the scrub effect.
     
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  8. Zziggy

    Zziggy Well-Known Member

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    I can´t judge it, but I voted for the new one because it gives a nice driving feeling.
     
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  9. J-F Chardon

    J-F Chardon Sector3 Producer Developer

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    Voted!
     
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  10. gio_vtec

    gio_vtec Well-Known Member

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    Really something new and enjoyable, even with my g29 :D
     
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  11. Danny Michael

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    I didn't like the initial feel on my CSW 2.5, but with the help of a couple people in the forums I'm sold 100% on the new. I couldn't go back now. Hats off to the team.
     
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  12. AndreasAUT

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    DD2 wheelbase here. I like the new setup, even if I havent changed the stock settings ( for excample I dont get any information if I hit the curbs ). Actually, right now I can catch the car if im losing it.
    EDIT: Off course I could not, by default, its set to 0% - I changed that. :-D

    Yesterday on the red bull Ring with that X17 formula car, I just drooled because of the FFB change. High speed on the straight, my wheel was sooo stiff, it´s a difference like night and day.
     
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  13. Turtle Power

    Turtle Power Well-Known Member

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    DD Mige OSW Simucube 1 here.
    First of all, great work and I trust it will get much better in the coming months. I simply love the road bumps and gear shift effects.

    I am getting closer to liking this new FFB but I won't be fully satisfied if I don't get the following:
    1. Engine vibrations at higher and lower speeds;
    2. Tyre slip vibrations
    3. Strong or exaggerated kerb effects
    4. Stronger oversteer feel.
    5. Less spring effect.

    Thanks & Regards
     
  14. MattStone

    MattStone Well-Known Member

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    I'm using a CSW 2.5 and the only thing I've done to the default settings is ramp up the Bump Amplification to 20%
    @Turtle Power
    Do you feel the tyre slip? I can feel the wheel go a little loose when the front starts slipping and feel the latteral force when the rear starts to give way. I can even feel when all 4 are starting to lose grip in a balanced slide!
    but I don't feel any vibration

    If I over steer too much the force is very strong and can be hard to correct because of the strong force

    The only vibration I feel is after leaving the track where theres a gritty vibration from the dirty tyres until the become clean

    The curbs feel great on my wheel base. I can feel the different types of curbs where some are prety smooth but I can feel when I mount them, some are a little grrry and some are realy harsh. I feel what I expect to feel based on what the curb looks like.

    What I really love is I can feel when my wheel leaves the curb when I going too wide onto the green stuff! I know exactly where my tyres are. I can even feel the bump when cutting a corner as I go over the curb then off track then back on the curb,
     
  15. Turtle Power

    Turtle Power Well-Known Member

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    I cant feel any tyre slip vibrations and I miss it a lot. I can feel the wheel go a little loose as suggested.

    After leaving the track a gritty vibrations make no sense to me at all but i think it has been said that this is something to do with the tyres. Its really odd at this stage. Maybe it needs to be reworked. The curbs as you have suggested is coming through my wheel too but very weak and sometimes I don't get it at all no matter how fast I am going. I really miss some canned effects for the purposes of immersion. Raceroom was very good at creating canned effects which is why I fall in love with it. I want to fight my wheel.
     
  16. RDEstevao

    RDEstevao New Member

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    Well, not sure about the work involved, but since the old feedback was already in place, would be that hard to have an option to use or the old FFB, or the new FFB in the options?
    Of course the OLD FFB would not be maintained any longer, but would be available "as is", as a Legacy FFB.
    The old was nice, specially for lower end wheels, and I do understand people miss it. It was informative and long habits die hard.
    This being said, I have a T300RS and prefer the new one.
    I think this would be the only win/win situation.
     
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  17. Alex Hodgkinson

    Alex Hodgkinson Sector3 Developer

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    It's called dirt pick up. A sticky slick tyre will come out the other side of an excursion with all sorts of debris stuck to it.
    This is a tyre which has been off line and picked up a load of rubber marbles:

    [​IMG]
     
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  18. memoNo1

    memoNo1 Well-Known Member

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    Hello Alex.
    Can you please explain to me how a TCR car in RL feels on the steering wheel that starts to understeer?
     
  19. Alex Hodgkinson

    Alex Hodgkinson Sector3 Developer

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    Touring cars are so well refined these days that grip drop off is quite progressive. The WTCR drivers who helped with development explicitly said there is very little torque steer and almost no wheel spin even out of very tight turns. They just grip and grip.
     
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  20. Turtle Power

    Turtle Power Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for your feedback.
    I understand that part but this happens every time, for instance when you start moving the car or if you release the throttle at lower speeds with or without dirt on tyres still happens. Not sure what that is? Unless you are talking about different things?

    And by the way, I am a big sucker for vibrations. I just love it as it make things more immersive (at least for me which is why I would like to have engine vibe at all times without fading out at higher speeds).