Tire temperatures - setup helper

Discussion in 'Car Information and physics updates' started by MarcoP, Aug 12, 2021.

  1. Vale

    Vale Well-Known Member

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    The file is attached to the first post in this thread. Just click on it to open or download.
     
  2. NicoCL68

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    In my test I found that the tool seems to work properly. You need some iterations of the run and change setup values cicle to estabilice the tires and cambers. Maybe I'm not much faster with the changes but maybe, yes, more consistent.

    About the cambers setting the tool seems to look for a 10 ºC difference between inner and outer sections of the tires. I ask myself is this is as simple as this.
     
  3. Torned The Bullet

    Torned The Bullet Active Member

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    Page 1, en bas du premier message.
     
  4. BeefMcQueen

    BeefMcQueen Well-Known Member Beta tester

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    At least for GT3, GT4, GTE the desired spread is around 10 degrees. For group 2,4,5, C and Fr-junior it's around 5 degrees. WTCR and WTCC tyres like to have a larger spread at around 15 degrees. If I'm not mistaken, Marco already implemented this in his tool, so the suggestions are based on those values.

    Oli
     
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  5. BeefMcQueen

    BeefMcQueen Well-Known Member Beta tester

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    I think you need a certaion amount of posts as a new member before you can download attachments. I'll send you the file in a personal message, I hope this is ok?

    Je pense qu'il faut un certain nombre de publications en tant que nouveau membre avant de pouvoir télécharger des pièces jointes. Je vous enverrai le fichier dans un message personnel, j'espère que cela vous convient? (DeepL traduction)

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  6. NL-Jos

    NL-Jos Well-Known Member

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    I try the tool and see a little problem with the auti TT 2015
    I have to set the camber in front with 0/1 and 0.7 wich is no problem for the front
    But the rear camber (wich i have to set with -0.9 and -0.7) i have the problem that the camber can change with steps of 0.5 instead of the front with steps of 0.1
     
  7. BeefMcQueen

    BeefMcQueen Well-Known Member Beta tester

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    Maybe that (real life?) restriction is due to the fact, that there's just no point in dialing in rear camber with a 0.1 degree precision on that specific FWD car. Rear tyres will stay rather cold anyway on most of these.
    There are even cars in the game which don't allow rear camber adjustments at all due to their solid rear axles. DTM 92 Mustang and Touring classics Volvo for example.

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  8. NL-Jos

    NL-Jos Well-Known Member

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    Wil tha in my case, wich a i wrote above, a big problem?
    The setuphelper advice in on rear -0.9 wich i set to -1, and the other was -0.7 wich i set than to 0.5
     
  9. DeanRacing

    DeanRacing New Member

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    Do you just run this from the desktop?
     
  10. Dauerwurst

    Dauerwurst New Member

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    Yes, just run it on the Desktop
     
  11. MarcoP

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    This is the case. For FWD cars the rear adaptions are useless. I have no chance to determine whether the current car is a FWD or something else. So that is up to you to know what car you are driving.
    The temp spreads are implemented differently depending on the class.
    The spread of e.g. 10 degrees is the optimum for the car class.

    There are car classes which have an older tire model which does not work this way.
    As far as I know these are the DTM 2013 - 2016.
    Maybe there are more classes which do not work.
     
  12. OtterNas3

    OtterNas3 Well-Known Member

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    Code:
    /*
        CardID: INT32
            Drive: INT32 | 1 = FWD | 2 = RWD | 3 = 4WD
            Name: String
    */
    export const carInfos: ICarInfos = {
        252: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Aquila CR1 Sports GT' },
        258: { Drive: 2, Name: '134 Judd V8' },
        1686: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Saleen S7R' },
        1694: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Canhard R51' },
        1695: { Drive: 2, Name: 'BMW Alpina B6 GT3' },
        1700: { Drive: 2, Name: 'BMW 320 Turbo' },
        1733: { Drive: 2, Name: 'BMW M3 GT2' },
        1738: { Drive: 2, Name: 'BMW Z4 GT3' },
        1741: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Canhard R52' },
        1744: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Carlsson C25 GT' },
        1747: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Chevrolet Corvette C6R GT2' },
        1750: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Cougar C14-1' },
        1753: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Cougar C14-2' },
        1756: { Drive: 2, Name: 'DMD P20' },
        1759: { Drive: 2, Name: 'DMD P21' },
        1779: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Ford GT GT1' },
        1782: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Ford Mustang GT3' },
        1788: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Gumpert Apollo Sport' },
        1794: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Koenigsegg CCGT' },
        1797: { Drive: 2, Name: 'McLaren-Mercedes SLR 722 GT' },
        1800: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Mistral M530' },
        1803: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Mistral M531' },
        1807: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Nissan GT-R GT1' },
        1811: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Nissan GT-R GT3' },
        1815: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Nissan Silvia Turbo' },
        1818: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Nissan Skyline 2000RS' },
        1821: { Drive: 2, Name: 'P4-5 Competizione GT3' },
        1824: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Pagani Zonda R' },
        1827: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Radical SR9 AER' },
        1831: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Radical SR9 Judd' },
        1834: { Drive: 2, Name: 'RUF CTR3' },
        1837: { Drive: 2, Name: 'RUF RT12R' },
        1862: { Drive: 2, Name: 'BMW 635 CSI' },
        1909: { Drive: 2, Name: 'McLaren MP4-12C GT3' },
        2037: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Audi R8 LMS Ultra' },
        2044: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Zakspeed Capri' },
        2116: { Drive: 2, Name: 'BMW M3 E30 Gr.A' },
        2275: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Volvo 240 Turbo' },
        2333: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Chevrolet Daytona Prototype' },
        2338: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Chevrolet Camaro GT3' },
        2339: { Drive: 2, Name: 'BMW M1 Procar' },
        2405: { Drive: 3, Name: 'Audi 90 Quattro' },
        2409: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Ford GT GT3' },
        2410: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Cadillac CTS-V.R' },
        2413: { Drive: 2, Name: 'DTM Mercedes AMG C-Coupé' },
        2417: { Drive: 2, Name: 'BMW M3 DTM ' },
        2420: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Audi RS 5 DTM' },
        2533: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG GT3' },
        2611: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Chevrolet Corvette Z06.R GT3' },
        2705: { Drive: 2, Name: 'BMW E90 320 TC' },
        2728: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Honda Civic WTCC' },
        2804: { Drive: 1, Name: 'SEAT León WTCC' },
        2842: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Lada Granta WTCC' },
        2846: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Chevrolet Cruze WTCC' },
        2849: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Carlsson SLK 340 JUDD' },
        2859: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Fabcar 935' },
        2868: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Nissan 300ZX Z32' },
        2923: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Audi R8 LMS Ultra' },
        2924: { Drive: 2, Name: 'BMW Z4 GT3' },
        2925: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Chevrolet Camaro GT3' },
        2926: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Nissan GT-R GT3' },
        2927: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG GT3' },
        3380: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Audi RS 5 DTM 2014' },
        3384: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG GT3' },
        3408: { Drive: 2, Name: 'BMW M4 DTM' },
        3479: { Drive: 2, Name: 'DTM Mercedes AMG C Coupe 14' },
        3500: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Audi R8 LMS Ultra' },
        3508: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Chevrolet Corvette Z06.R GT3' },
        3516: { Drive: 2, Name: 'RUF RT12R GTR3' },
        3527: { Drive: 2, Name: 'McLaren MP4-12C GT3' },
        3530: { Drive: 2, Name: 'BMW Z4 GT3' },
        3534: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Chevrolet Camaro GT3' },
        3539: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Mercedes 190E Evo II DTM' },
        3549: { Drive: 2, Name: 'BMW M3 Sport Evolution' },
        3626: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Chevrolet Corvette Z06.R GT3' },
        3662: { Drive: 3, Name: 'Audi V8 DTM' },
        3754: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Ford GT GT3' },
        3842: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Ford Mustang GT DTM' },
        3874: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Opel Omega 3000 Evo500' },
        3899: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Citroen C Elysee WTCC' },
        3964: { Drive: 3, Name: 'Nissan Skyline GTR R32' },
        4046: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Chevrolet RML Cruze TC1' },
        4067: { Drive: 1, Name: 'LADA Granta 1.6T' },
        4075: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Chevrolet Corvette Greenwood 1977' },
        4114: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Nissan R90CK' },
        4145: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Chevrolet Dekon Monza' },
        4197: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Honda Civic WTCC 2014' },
        4261: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Audi RS 5 DTM 2015' },
        4264: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Mercedes-AMG C63 DTM' },
        4267: { Drive: 2, Name: 'BMW M4 DTM 2015' },
        4299: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Audi TT RS VLN' },
        4308: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Audi R18' },
        4386: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Ford Mustang IMSA GTO' },
        4518: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Audi R8 LMS Ultra' },
        4544: { Drive: 2, Name: 'BMW Z4 GT3' },
        4551: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG GT3' },
        4554: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Honda Civic WTCC 2015' },
        4557: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Nissan GT-R GT3' },
        4570: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Chevrolet Corvette Z06.R GT3 GTM15' },
        4579: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Chevrolet RML Cruze TC1 2015' },
        4582: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Chevrolet Camaro GT3' },
        4585: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Citroen C Elysee WTCC 2015' },
        4598: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Formula RaceRoom 2' },
        4675: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Porsche 911 GT3 Cup Endurance' },
        4681: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Audi TT cup 2015' },
        4720: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Lada Vesta WTCC 2015' },
        4810: { Drive: 2, Name: 'NSU TTS' },
        4865: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Formula RaceRoom Junior' },
        5051: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Tatuus F4' },
        5152: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Bentley Continental GT3' },
        5170: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Bentley Continental GT3' },
        5214: { Drive: 2, Name: 'P4-5 Competizione GT2' },
        5259: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Mercedes-AMG C 63 DTM' },
        5342: { Drive: 2, Name: 'KTM X-Bow RR' },
        5348: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Formula RaceRoom US' },
        5396: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Formula RaceRoom 3' },
        5399: { Drive: 2, Name: 'BMW M4 DTM 2016' },
        5402: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Mercedes-AMG C 63 DTM 2016' },
        5411: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Audi RS 5 DTM 2016' },
        5588: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Audi TT cup 2016' },
        5767: { Drive: 2, Name: 'KTM X-Bow GT4' },
        5786: { Drive: 2, Name: 'McLaren 650S GT3' },
        5818: { Drive: 2, Name: 'BMW M6 GT3' },
        5821: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Formula Raceroom X-17' },
        6002: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Volvo S60 Polestar TC1' },
        6011: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Chevrolet RML Cruze TC1 2016' },
        6017: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Citroen C Elysee WTCC 2016' },
        6024: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Honda Civic WTCC 2016' },
        6031: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Lada Vesta WTCC 2016' },
        6057: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Audi R8 LMS' },
        6168: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Mercedes AMG GT3' },
        6174: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Callaway Corvette C7 GT3-R' },
        6177: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Chevrolet RML Cruze eSports' },
        6187: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Citroen C Elysee eSports' },
        6195: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Honda Civic eSports' },
        6203: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Lada Vesta eSports' },
        6208: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Volvo S60 Polestar eSports' },
        6262: { Drive: 2, Name: 'BMW M235i Racing' },
        6310: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Chevrolet RML Cruze TC1 2017' },
        6314: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Citroen C Elysee WTCC 2017' },
        6321: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Honda Civic WTCC 2017' },
        6329: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Lada Vesta WTCC 2017' },
        6334: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Volvo S60 Polestar TC1' },
        6349: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Porsche 911 GT3 R' },
        6568: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Porsche Cayman GT4 Clubsport' },
        6588: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Audi RS 3 LMS' },
        6623: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Porsche Cayman GT4 CS MR' },
        6791: { Drive: 2, Name: 'AMG-Mercedes CLK DTM 2003' },
        6849: { Drive: 2, Name: 'AMG-Mercedes C-Klasse DTM 2005' },
        6860: { Drive: 2, Name: 'AMG-Mercedes 190 E 2.5-16 Evolution II 1992' },
        6949: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Mercedes-AMG C 63 DTM 2015' },
        6978: { Drive: 2, Name: 'AMG-Mercedes C-Klasse DTM 1995' },
        7005: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Cupra TCR' },
        7011: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Audi RS 3 LMS' },
        7029: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Alfa Romeo Giulietta TCR' },
        7036: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Peugeot 308 TCR' },
        7040: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Porsche Cayman GT4 Clubsport' },
        7076: { Drive: 2, Name: 'AMG-Mercedes C-Klasse DTM 1995' },
        7105: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Volkswagen Golf GTI TCR' },
        7117: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Hyundai i30 N TCR' },
        7125: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Honda Civic TCR' },
        7162: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Lotus Evora GT4' },
        7169: { Drive: 2, Name: 'AMG-Mercedes CLK DTM' },
        7183: { Drive: 2, Name: 'AMG-Mercedes C-Klasse DTM' },
        7215: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Formula RR 90 V8' },
        7218: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Formula RR 90 V12' },
        7220: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Formula RR 90 V10' },
        7282: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Porsche 934 Turbo RSR' },
        7396: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Porsche 911 Carrera Cup (964)' },
        7399: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Porsche 962 C Team Joest' },
        7629: { Drive: 2, Name: 'BMW M6 GT3 GTM18' },
        7630: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Audi R8 LMS GTM18' },
        7640: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Callaway Corvette C7 GT3-R GTM18' },
        7643: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Mercedes AMG GT3 GTM18' },
        7647: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Porsche 911 GT3 R GTM18' },
        7805: { Drive: 2, Name: 'BMW M1 Gr. 4' },
        7810: { Drive: 3, Name: 'Volkswagen ID. R' },
        7845: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Alfa Romeo Giulietta TCR' },
        7847: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Audi RS 3 LMS' },
        7850: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Cupra TCR' },
        7853: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Honda Civic TCR' },
        7856: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Hyundai i30 N TCR' },
        7859: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Volkswagen Golf GTI TCR' },
        7926: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Lynk & Co 03 TCR' },
        7983: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Porsche 911 GT3 Cup' },
        8006: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Cupra TCR' },
        8053: { Drive: 2, Name: 'BMW M4 GT4' },
        8115: { Drive: 2, Name: 'E36 V8 JUDD' },
        8149: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Opel Astra' },
        8166: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Porsche 911 GT3 Cup' },
        8201: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 Clubsport' },
        8242: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Porsche 911 GT2 RS Clubsport' },
        8257: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Porsche 911 GT3 R (2019)' },
        8467: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Honda Civic Type R' },
        8487: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Porsche 911 RSR 2019' },
        8498: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Volkswagen Scirocco Gr2' },
        8593: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Bentley Continental GT3 EVO' },
        8604: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Audi R8 LMS GT3 EVO' },
        8652: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Audi R8 LMS GT2 2019' },
        8657: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Audi RS 3 LMS' },
        8661: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Hyundai i30 N TCR' },
        8677: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Shopping Cart' },
        8698: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Lada Vesta' },
        8715: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Hyundai i30 N TCR' },
        8719: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Lynk & Co 03 TCR' },
        8726: { Drive: 1, Name: 'CUPRA Leon Competición' },
        8757: { Drive: 1, Name: 'CUPRA Leon e-Racer' },
        8776: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Honda Civic TCR' },
        8782: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Alfa Romeo Giulietta TCR' },
        8785: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Peugeot 308' },
        8788: { Drive: 1, Name: 'CUPRA Leon Competición' },
        8792: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Porsche 911 GT3 Cup' },
        8900: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Audi R8 LMS GT4 2020' },
        8936: { Drive: 2, Name: 'BMW M6 GT3' },
        8938: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Porsche 911 GT3 R (2019)' },
        8940: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Mercedes AMG GT3' },
        8942: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Callaway Corvette C7 GT3-R' },
        9031: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Audi R8 LMS' },
        9094: { Drive: 2, Name: 'BMW M4 DTM 2020e' },
        9102: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Audi RS 5 DTM 2020e' },
        9154: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Lynk & Co 03 TCR' },
        9206: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Audi RS 5 DTM 2020' },
        9220: { Drive: 2, Name: 'BMW M4 DTM 2020' },
        9234: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Hyundai i30 N TCR' },
        9241: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Lynk & Co 03 TCR' },
        9252: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Alfa Romeo Giulietta TCR' },
        9256: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Audi RS 3 LMS' },
        9266: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Honda Civic TCR' },
        9278: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Cupra Leon Competición' },
        9467: { Drive: 1, Name: 'Renault Mégane TCR' },
        9548: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Audi R8 LMS GT3 EVO' },
        9565: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Bentley Continental GT3 EVO' },
        9581: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Mercedes-AMG GT3 2020' },
        9603: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Mercedes-AMG GT3 2020' },
        9644: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Mercedes AMG GT4 2020' },
        9761: { Drive: 2, Name: 'BMW M3 E30 Sideways' },
        10051: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Audi R8 LMS GT3 EVO' },
        10076: { Drive: 2, Name: 'BMW M6 GT3' },
        10085: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Bentley Continental GT3 EVO' },
        10110: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Mercedes-AMG GT3 2020' },
        10119: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Porsche 911 GT3 R (2019)' },
        10127: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Callaway Corvette C7 GT3-R' },
        10263: { Drive: 2, Name: 'Ford Mustang Mach-E 1400' }
    };
     
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  13. Mike Kara

    Mike Kara New Member

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    the best thing I've ever seen :D
     
  14. MarcoP

    MarcoP Member

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    I have to implement this. Thanks a lot.
     
  15. Vale

    Vale Well-Known Member

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    The Bentley Gt3s are listed as 4x4 - is that not a mistake as the road car is but the racer is RWD as per GT3 rules - same as the Nissan GTR?
     
  16. OtterNas3

    OtterNas3 Well-Known Member

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    It is indeed! Good catch, corrected it
    Audi V8 DTM, Audi 90 Quattro and the VW ID. R are the only 4WD
     
  17. Vale

    Vale Well-Known Member

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    And the Skyline Gr.A but you got that in the list.
     
  18. OtterNas3

    OtterNas3 Well-Known Member

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    Wasnt sure about the skyline, is it 4wd?
     
  19. Vale

    Vale Well-Known Member

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    Yes. The shop has this info.
     
  20. vicnet11

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    when the app is running, i have problem with the Force feddback, i tested in the Lotus and my wheel is a Logitech GT