Bug AI Problems since Dec Update

Discussion in 'Community Support' started by MattStone, Dec 12, 2019.

  1. MattStone

    MattStone Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2016
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    The update has been fantastic and the AI are much more realistic to race against but they are still problematic on some tracks

    The common factor I'm seeing so far is that they go too wide and spin out

    The below test are done driving that Porsche 911 GT3 Cup car

    I'll update the problem tracks in this thread as I find them

    Chang International Circuit - Full Circuit
    T4 high speed RH bend they AI spin off the inside curb occasionally

    Hockenheimring - Grand Prix
    First lap first corner crashes every time
    Ai still a little to fast out of the last corner

    Hungaroring - Grand Prix
    Turn 5 leading up to the chicain the ai goes wide and spin out every lap

    Road America - Grand Prix
    AI always go too wide in the fast right hand kink after the carousel and hit the grass and spin

    Sonoma Raceway - WTCC
    ai spin each other through the chicane

    Imola - Grand Prix

    Between turn 18 and 19 ai go wide and spin every lap
    Turn 1 to a lesser extent
    These classes are good thru t18 & 19
    WTCR 2019
    WTC 2017
    WTC 2013

    These all spin out turn 18 and 19
    Porsche 911 GT3 Cup
    Porsche 911 Carrera Cup Classic

    GT2's frequently spin in the first chicain and turn 5 of the second chicain
    Suprisingly the GT2s didn't spin in T18 and 19!

    WTCR 2019 frequently go off track through the first chicain - strangely seems to get worse as you lower the AI level!

    Moscow Raceway - Full
    Only on the first lap in T1 the ai take too much inside curb and spin out
    ai frequently spin each other out on the last corner

    Motorsport Arena Oschersleben
    Between the last two corners near the pit entry the ai push each other too wide and spin
    Congrats on fixing the chicain as that was a nightmare before the patch

    Nurburgring - Grand Prix Fast
    Sometime spin in T1
    Coming out of T6 they sometimes spin
    Coming out of T11 Kumho Kurve the ai go wide and spin most laps
    Coming out of T12 the sometimes spin

    Monza Circuit - Grand Prix
    ai sometimes go wide out of T5
    ai quite often go too wide at T9 and either spin or loose control and slow

    Ai seriously crash on at the start of the race through the first two corners every time

    Spa-Francorchamps - Grand Prix
    Turn 8 AI spin out but not too excessively
    AI seem a little too fast through turn 12 and 16

    Twin Ring Motegi - Road Course

    Turn 2 AI spin off the track
    Start of the race is particularly bad every time

    Twin Ring Motegi - East Course
    ai are behaving themselves but I can just beat them at 120 which means they are a little slow as my ai level usually around 112

    Circuit Park Zandvoort - Grand Prix
    Still too fast exiting the final corner onto the main straight

    Circuit Zolder - Grand Prix
    Cars regularly spin in first chicain

    Dubai Autodrome GP
    AI regularly bump and spin each other between T5-T6
    AI sometimes exit/bimp too wide in T7 and spin
    AI way to slow through T10 and T12 in traffic

    EuroSpeedway Lausitz - Grand Prix
    AI spin T6 around 2 out of 5 laps

    Falkenberg Motorbana - Grand Prix
    ai spin in T1 and T2

    Mantorp Park - Long
    ai regularly spin each other at T8 at the end of the back straight

    Mantorp Park - Short
    ai regularly spin or start to loose control and slow after hitting the first inside curb turning into the right hander off the back straight

    Mid Ohio - Full
    Ai spin in turn 4 at the end of the long back straight

    Paul Ricard - Solution 1C-V2
    AI spin coming out of the first chicain
    , thru T6 and coming out of sweeping right hander T11

    Paul Ricard - Solution 3C
    No ai incidents!
    but the ai is overall too slow. At 120 I'm just able to beat them

    Silverstone Grand Prix
    ai go off track wide in first corner spinning

    Portimao Circuit - Grand Prix
    No spinning ai! but the ai are too slow racing in a pack especially in T3 right hand hair pin and then the left hand hairpin at the end of the next straight
    When in a pack they leaders have a pace of around 1:50's but if one breaks free it stats lapping 3 seconds faster. This also results in strange qualifying times as whilst qualifying that set extremely fast times placing me near the back but with in 2-3 laps I can catch up to the top 5

    RaceRoom Raceway - Classic
    Too slow at 120; I can go from last to 1st in 10 laps
    But in qualifying the ai are about 3-4 seconds faster than the race pace which means I always qualify near the back
    I suspect they slow each other down driving in a pack

    Slovakia Ring - Grand Prix
    Turn 1 first lap the ai spin out apart from that it's pretty good

    Sepang Circuit - Grand Prix
    ai badley hold each other through hairpins at T2 & T9
    ai too fast through T6, T6 and T8
    ai spin every lap exiting T12

    Shanghai Circuit - Grand Prix
    ai always spin at the end the long first turn

    Zhuhai - Grand Prix
    ai reasonable well behaved but at 120 strength they are too slow; feels like I need them to be at around 124 to be competative

    General Observations
    Whilst the AI now brake later and are harder to pass under braking, they are now too slow thru mid corner and exit; especially whilst in traffic
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    Last edited: Dec 29, 2019
  2. Andi Goodwin

    Andi Goodwin Moderator Beta tester

    Jan 16, 2015
    +502 / 0 / -0
    thanks matt we know , some tracks we are having to do corner by corner run throughs reteaching the ai as such , this will get sorted

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  3. MattStone

    MattStone Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2016
    +128 / 0 / -0
    Thanks Andy
    I can certainly feel your improvements with the update; the ai is much more consistent around a circuit

    do you want me to keep reporting the areas that need your tweaking?
  4. Andi Goodwin

    Andi Goodwin Moderator Beta tester

    Jan 16, 2015
    +502 / 0 / -0
  5. nickyjj2011

    nickyjj2011 Member

    Apr 21, 2016
    +14 / 0 / -0
    Hey having this problem on Silverstone most of the cars go wide first corner and spin out
    Happens on dtm 92 wtcr 19 and gt3 from what I have tested so far
  6. R.Noctua

    R.Noctua Well-Known Member

    Dec 12, 2019
    +60 / 0 / -0
    Nurburgring GP - are spinning or creating accidents in T1 on almost every circle among themselves. Also do not notice the player.

    DTM 2016.
  7. CrimsonEminence

    CrimsonEminence Active Member

    Dec 6, 2019
    +33 / 0 / -0
    Some AI cars are not using the inside of the Karussel on the NoS properly in races, they're driving a bit to much outside and popping out of the steep section. (GTR3)
    Maybe worth, noting. :)
  8. fbiehne

    fbiehne Well-Known Member

    Apr 18, 2016
    +82 / 0 / -0
    Had some races at Imola and Nürburgring (new version) with the AI.

    Imola was problematic, they often overshot turn 1 and/or spun there (tried the GTOs).
    At the Nürburgring the AI often spun at Turn 10 (the one after the fast Michael-Schumacher-S). Drove the DTM92 cars here at 100% difficulty.
  9. MattStone

    MattStone Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2016
    +128 / 0 / -0
    Looks like this is a problem with most of the classes
  10. fl0wf1r3

    fl0wf1r3 Well-Known Member

    Apr 24, 2016
    +224 / 0 / -0
    I have tested the AI only on the Nordschleife so far. Feels way better than the old AI. I don't drive into their back any longer :) sometimes they brake at spots where you normally don't brake. For instance the second jumb (L-31) on the Nordschleife. BMW M4. What I also noticed it they behave different in partice mode or a race. In a race they don't brake before the second big jumb. Perhaps it's part of the new plan :) it's not so predictable
  11. nickyjj2011

    nickyjj2011 Member

    Apr 21, 2016
    +14 / 0 / -0
    ai car retires and it’s stationary off track all the ai cars slow down when passing the retired car lap after lap