FFB Guide

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Sector3, Jan 22, 2015.

  1. KudBkuik

    KudBkuik Member

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    Both of my DD-wheels rattle in the pits, and there's nothing to create any slop; it's just in the FFB signal at stand-still.
     
  2. Andi Goodwin

    Andi Goodwin Well-Known Member Beta tester

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    could this be to do with the fact that there is no weight to the wheel until car is moving and the throttle vibe comming through ?

    Andi
     
  3. KudBkuik

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    Good question, I do have engine-vibes enabled in SC4 but, not in RR. I'll try to test that and see if it's still there.
     
  4. Alex Hodgkinson

    Alex Hodgkinson Sector3 Developer

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    Try putting steering rack effects to 0 or 100 if you haven't already.
     
  5. KudBkuik

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    Yep, already tried both of those; I left it at zero.
     
  6. RWB 3vil

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    I have a TM TX 458 Italia. I cannot set the wheel up anywhere near close to the "recommended" settings for example Steering Force Intensity between 100-150% as p[er the OP . At those rates the clipping is so insane the clip meter turns from mid peaks to 100% vertical and horizontal lines and the wheel feels utterly terrible like the wheel is imitating the sword in the stone. Same goes for the lateral setting "recommended 100-200% " thats beyond un-reasonable for this wheel. I have to cut the intensity down to 60 MAX for it not to clip and run lat and vert no higher than 60 although mine is set at the default 40/60

    Is the TX weak or is mine broken?
     
  7. Case

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    (Fun fact: clipping levels as you see them in the in-game FFB meter are wheel independent, even though A LOT of people think what the meter shows depends on which wheel is connected and how it is set up.)

    And if you ask me, the "recommended settings" are fairly over the top, though not as much as the settings Alex posted recently ;) I was expecting a VERY different result when I was trying Alex's settings. Which only shows you how incredibly subjective the FFB settings are.
     
  8. KudBkuik

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    Regarding clipping, SimCommander can monitor clipping - both from the game signal and hardware to account for it when creating a Auto-tuned wheel profile for the AccuForce. Ideally, this type of approach would be available for all wheels but, short of having that option, I prefer to swap ends by eliminating soft-clipping (Game-FFB signal) by using the game-FFB strength as the primary gain setting - not the hardware strength.

    For example, with both my steering systems, I always have the output (Wheel-driver) at 100%; then I adjust the game-FFB output (gain / strength) to suit my preferred steering torque. In theory, that insures that I won't experience clipping and the systems are powerful enough to allow good margin.

    That works perfectly and reliably with more powerful wheels but, there are limitations for less capable ones. The hardware simply may not be robust enough to convey the FFB effectively beyond a certain point but, it's still best to always eliminate soft-clipping first, and then assess the hardware limitations and adjust that output accordingly.

    There's not much point in adjusting FFB gain on either end (software / hardware) beyond the point where it's effective but, it's important to realize that there is more than one way to experience FFB clipping. Finding a good balance generally improves the overall FFB quality but, soft-clipping always travels down-stream to the wheel, no matter how good the hardware.
     
  9. Turtle Power

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    This is a great thread for the FFB. I like a little bit more aggressive and stronger FFB just so I can trick my brain and believe that I am driving a real car.:D (OSW)
    Some posts are referring to how difficult or complicated FFB in Raceroom is. Despite the fact that RR is my favorite sim and fav FFB, I have to admit.... yes t is very complicated and nothing like any other sims.

    SPECS AND SETTINGS:
    OS Win 7
    OSW Augury Kit (Small Mige 130 ST-M10010) 10.000ppr

    Note that changing the steering rotation may have an impact on overall force feedback feel. Also, remember that you can increase or reduce the FFB strength per car in Multiplier if required.
     

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  10. Hervé45

    Hervé45 Active Member

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    Hello
    You don't use simucube ?
    can you share your rcs file ?
    Thanks
     
  11. G.Deurwaerder

    G.Deurwaerder Well-Known Member

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    @Turtle Power, I wonder how your setting feels at the porsche competition??
     
  12. Turtle Power

    Turtle Power Active Member

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    I dont use simucube but i wouldnt mind trying. I got it to what i like and have no desire to change. I could only try simucube.
    Exuse my poor knowlegde, what are the rcs files?
     
  13. Turtle Power

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    I can test it out later and let you know
     
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  14. Hervé45

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    Rcs is here
    C:\Users\XXXX\Documents\My Games\SimBin\RaceRoom Racing Experience\UserData\ControlSet
     
  15. Turtle Power

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    I see.... will do.
     
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    Thanks you
     
  18. GrimeyDog

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    CSW v2.5 FFB settings...
    I use on Wheel FFB @50% and all Feels Great:D

    When setting at the wheel FFB Strength for a Fanatec wheel what most people don't realize is the PC FFB Gain is controlled from the On wheel FFB setting ... Why??? ---> because there is No Gain/Strength setting in the PC Wheel Control panel settings to adjust...So it seems to reason that Fanatec wheels are always set to out put their Maximum power and the wheel strength depends on How High you set the On wheel Gain/ FFB because it Replaces the PC Control panel Gain/ Strength output setting.

    Yes I know Many will argue and still follow the all wheels Must be set at 100% power at the wheel rule but with Fanatec wheels this rules does Not apply.;)

    Fanatec wheel users Don't Knock it until you try it... You Might just be surprised....post what you think.

    Note: Fanatec wheels from My testing If you adjust FFB Strength by lowering Steering Force intensity you get dead unresponsive spot in wheel center.
     
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  19. Turtle Power

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    Does Simucube works on any wheel and is it free to use?
     
  20. G.Deurwaerder

    G.Deurwaerder Well-Known Member

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    ????